"Virtue itself turns to vice, being misapplied,
And vice sometime by action dignified."
from Act II Scene III
The Friar asserts that even "vice" may, in special circumstances, be used for good and that "virtue" might be "misapplied" and thus produce negative effects. In a paragraph, defend or challenge the validity of Friar Lawrence's statement. You may use evidence from your readings or personal observations and/or experiences to support your position.
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Vice is a moral fault or a failing, and virtue is a commendable quality. If you have a commendable quality for example, you never lie, and then one day you lie to protect a friend. People believe you because you are an honest person.
Ana
I agree that sometimes your "virtue" may be misapplied. Some people have a good life and a privileged background so others think that they are studious people who can't do anything wrong. Although I believe that this is true in most cases, I also believe that there are some cases when your virtue works in your favor. This is where people tend to 'bend the rules' and it can lead to the same people being the most wrong to you. My view on Friar’s statement is that your virtue can be “misapplied” but there is still good in people.
-Jennifer-
I agree that virtue can be "misapplied" because someone may seem to have a good qulaity because you don't know the person's real quality. I also agree that even though a vice is a moral fault it can be used for good in some circumstances for example, if you fail to achieve to get a job that would have kept you from oyou're family and friends it is a good thing.
Monica
Virture supposedly is a wonderful quality to have, and maybe vice is too. I don't know much about either one of them, and Shakespeare confuses me half of the time. So, I'll be honest. I think that if Virtue is "commendable" quality and it involves honesty, then it must be good. I really liked both Jennifer's and Ana's statements. They both sort of sounded like they were reinforcing each other, but, still, I liked them. Like everything else in this crazy world, someone will find something wrong with something someone says. If virture is good in some circumstances, then just maybe vice is too. As I said before, I don't know much about them so, someone comment back and help me out here. :)
-Melana-
"Virtue" is to supposedly have "moral excellence." That can do good, but so can vice. Vice may be immoral, but it can do good. I might be mistaken, but in using an example in Robin Hood's story didn't he steal from the rich to help the poor? Virtue could be misapplied. You can give someone help that they don't want.
Alexa (My answer is a little confusing because I'm confused.)
I agree in some cases vise could turn out fortunate, and virtue could be misapplied. Like as the saying goes "Patience is a virtue". That is true, but sometimes if you are too patient and wait too long for something you could miss the chance for something great.seth
Good job Seth, and Alexa:
That did help me a little. Seth, I just liked yours thats all.
As I have gathered from my fellow class-mates, vice and virtue can be seen as a good quality, but it can also be missapplied in different settings. Honestly, I had no clue what the words vice meant, and I barely knew what virtue was. However, Ana's comment was a great example of how it could be used in the normal every day life. I agree that if you told the truth everyday, then it would be assumed that you told the truth when you actually lied. If you looked at the story of "The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf", the boy cried wolf several times and they always came to see, but in the end when he actually saw one, they didn't come because they thought he was lying. If the boy wouldn't had lied so many times, then they would have believed him when he tried to warn them. Therefore, his honesty in that little moment was mistaken as something else. People go by your motives in your every day life. If your usually an honest person, why not believe you? I guess it just depends.
Ashley
I dont really know a whole lot about the two, but if people do something over and over again then you are eventually going to think that they will always do that or act that way. For instance, if someone is always being mean or they just have that tough kind of attitude then people are going to think that is what he is like.
I agree with Alexa because she is right in saying that vice can be used to do good. You can help where it is not needed and the people will be thankful even if they don't seem to be. If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, If you teach a man to fish you have fed him for life. Using Alexa's exmple, Robin Hood did have a good idea but he would have done better if he would have taught the poor how to earn their own money instead of just stealing it for them. I'm not saying he should have taught them to steal, but he should have helped them to overthrow the tyrant king so they could have made their own money.
Monica(hey Seth you spelled vice wrong)
I think that the friar is right in saying that virtue can sometimes turn to vice. An example being that you see a homeless person begging so you give him some money. But then he turns around and spends it on alchohol. Therefore you virtueous action turns into something that actually might have hurt someone. But vice can sometimes turn to virtue too. Say that your best friend is Robin Hood and that the king is asking you if you know who is stealing his gold. You must outright lie to the king to conceal Robin Hood's virtuos, attempts at helping the poor.
robert
I also agree that virtue is a great quality to have, but it can be misapplied. I agree with Monica that a person can seem to have good qualities, but really your not seeing the person's real qualities. As it has been said, vice is considered a "moral fault". I think that Friar was right to say that virtue sometimes turns to vice. I think the best example of that is when Alexa used the story of Robin Hood.
-Presley-
I agree with Brandon because repeating your mistakes only worsens your reputation. Although you may have a virtuous exterior that makes people think that you are innocent, the vice you have on your interior may start to stand out because you repeatedly make the same mistakes.
I have also heard the saying, "Too much of a good thing." What this means to me is that people can "over-help" you or pry into your life so much that it becomes annoying and inappropriate. So although your intentions were virtuous, your effect may, in turn be vice. This seems to be what the Friar means.
~KaTeLiN~
I agree with the phrase. Doing a bad thing sometimes turns out to benefit another person. Also I agree with Ana on the honest person because if you have to protect a family members you always try to.
I agree with Robert because you may think you're helping someone out, but actually you just made them worse off. I believe that if someone tries to hurt another person on purpose, the other guy will eventually benefit from it.
Seth(s-e-f-f)(my bad on misspelling vice)
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